If it ain't broke, don't fix it.....Chuck & Molly P35F116X16
website changes, enhancements
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Started on 2002-07-12
website changes, enhancements
From: woodschuckstraub (woodschuckstraub@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 01:20:19 UTC
Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: (paisleyorca@webtv.net) |
Date: 2002-07-11 19:13:50 UTC-07:00
You know...the folks who work the magic of the LBNA website aren't
exactly pulling in a six-figure salary for the work they do. In fact,
they get no monetary compensation, from what I gather.
I think we're lucky to get what we have. I'm thankful our webmasters
are so attuned and willing to put in the effort that they do. Maybe
they aren't always "Johnny-on-the-spot" but they do a pretty good job, I
think. And with gentle reminders they usually take care of matters that
may have slipped by. They are only human beings just like the rest of
us. They can do what they like to keep things running smoothly.
Whatever works best for them as a team, I say.
Best regards,
Amanda Briles
The Paisley Orca
exactly pulling in a six-figure salary for the work they do. In fact,
they get no monetary compensation, from what I gather.
I think we're lucky to get what we have. I'm thankful our webmasters
are so attuned and willing to put in the effort that they do. Maybe
they aren't always "Johnny-on-the-spot" but they do a pretty good job, I
think. And with gentle reminders they usually take care of matters that
may have slipped by. They are only human beings just like the rest of
us. They can do what they like to keep things running smoothly.
Whatever works best for them as a team, I say.
Best regards,
Amanda Briles
The Paisley Orca
Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: arlen fletcher (arlenf@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2002-07-11 21:27:33 UTC-07:00
I hope my comments weren't misconstrued as a criticism of the webmasters. I
think they're doing a great job too - I was simply looking for a way to
contribute and lessen the load. I'd like to see them stick around - and not
burnout as a result of the increasing demands upon their time.
-Arlen
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> You know...the folks who work the magic of the LBNA website aren't
> exactly pulling in a six-figure salary for the work they do. In fact,
> they get no monetary compensation, from what I gather.
>
> I think we're lucky to get what we have. I'm thankful our webmasters
> are so attuned and willing to put in the effort that they do. Maybe
> they aren't always "Johnny-on-the-spot" but they do a pretty good job, I
> think. And with gentle reminders they usually take care of matters that
> may have slipped by. They are only human beings just like the rest of
> us. They can do what they like to keep things running smoothly.
> Whatever works best for them as a team, I say.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Amanda Briles
> The Paisley Orca
>
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think they're doing a great job too - I was simply looking for a way to
contribute and lessen the load. I'd like to see them stick around - and not
burnout as a result of the increasing demands upon their time.
-Arlen
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> You know...the folks who work the magic of the LBNA website aren't
> exactly pulling in a six-figure salary for the work they do. In fact,
> they get no monetary compensation, from what I gather.
>
> I think we're lucky to get what we have. I'm thankful our webmasters
> are so attuned and willing to put in the effort that they do. Maybe
> they aren't always "Johnny-on-the-spot" but they do a pretty good job, I
> think. And with gentle reminders they usually take care of matters that
> may have slipped by. They are only human beings just like the rest of
> us. They can do what they like to keep things running smoothly.
> Whatever works best for them as a team, I say.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Amanda Briles
> The Paisley Orca
>
>
>
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Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: bcostley (bobbyeubanks@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 06:53:12 UTC
I hope nobody took my original post the wrong way. I do think the
webmasters do a wonderful job and I know they are busy. But I have
seen a lot of "Does anyone know if XYZ box is missing?" posts
lately. Some get responses that the box has been gone a long time.
I've also noticed several posts saying "I'm new to letterboxing and
I looked for ABC box on my first try and didn't find it." How many
other newbies that don't post have the same experience but give up
the hobby before they've really even started? As many of the
original boxes get older, esp. those placed by now inactive LBers,
more and more are likely to go missing without notice to the
webmasters to remove the clues.
I know this would add a lot of work, but it seems to me that
letterboxing may be hitting the knee of the growth curve - as
evidenced by the number of posts growing and number of
newpaper/internet articles lately. We will almost assuredly need
more webmasters soon, even without creating additional tasks for
them. Maybe now is the time to figure out how to both reduce the
workload of the webmasters AND improve the infrastructure.
webmasters do a wonderful job and I know they are busy. But I have
seen a lot of "Does anyone know if XYZ box is missing?" posts
lately. Some get responses that the box has been gone a long time.
I've also noticed several posts saying "I'm new to letterboxing and
I looked for ABC box on my first try and didn't find it." How many
other newbies that don't post have the same experience but give up
the hobby before they've really even started? As many of the
original boxes get older, esp. those placed by now inactive LBers,
more and more are likely to go missing without notice to the
webmasters to remove the clues.
I know this would add a lot of work, but it seems to me that
letterboxing may be hitting the knee of the growth curve - as
evidenced by the number of posts growing and number of
newpaper/internet articles lately. We will almost assuredly need
more webmasters soon, even without creating additional tasks for
them. Maybe now is the time to figure out how to both reduce the
workload of the webmasters AND improve the infrastructure.
website changes, enhancements
From: nomad_pnw (mark.bendickson@verizon.net) |
Date: 2002-07-12 08:43:24 UTC
For some reason I'm under the impression the web site has already
been divided into seperate area's of the country with different folks
responsible for each area. If a webmaster could join in on this
discussion, we'd know for sure.
I don't believe it is wrong to ask for the addition of a column
reporting the status of missing boxes. Improvements to what is
already in place will keep this hobby fun and ensure a reasonable
level of responsibility. After all, placing letterboxes all around
the country or world, if left unmanaged, soon become nothing more
than unforgotten pieces of buried trash.
Lastly, just because I and others have an opinion regarding possible
improvements to this site's management, isn't implying that we think
the webmasters are doing a less than adequate job. It's already
obvious that their existing support is recognized and appreciated,
and as we gain experience moving forward it can be improved upon too.
Mark
been divided into seperate area's of the country with different folks
responsible for each area. If a webmaster could join in on this
discussion, we'd know for sure.
I don't believe it is wrong to ask for the addition of a column
reporting the status of missing boxes. Improvements to what is
already in place will keep this hobby fun and ensure a reasonable
level of responsibility. After all, placing letterboxes all around
the country or world, if left unmanaged, soon become nothing more
than unforgotten pieces of buried trash.
Lastly, just because I and others have an opinion regarding possible
improvements to this site's management, isn't implying that we think
the webmasters are doing a less than adequate job. It's already
obvious that their existing support is recognized and appreciated,
and as we gain experience moving forward it can be improved upon too.
Mark
Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: moonstone_baby (moonstone_baby@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 11:50:38 UTC
I think that the owner of letterboxes should take responsibility for
maintaining his or her boxes. I think if a letterbox is known to be
missing the owner should either replace the box or modify the clues
so the box is no longer listed. This should be done in a reasonable
amount of time. As a minimum, when the owner knows a box is missing,
he/she should put a note in his/her clues stating that a box is known
to be missing.
I know that many people have boxes outside the area where they live.
They could ask someone who lives in the area to help them maintain
those boxes when they know there is a problem. I have found the
letterboxing group to be pretty good at helping each other out. I am
sure people would find lots of volunteers to help fix/replace a box.
I always notify the box owner when I find a box that is missing or
needing repair that I cannot make for them. I automatically replace
containers, plastic bags, pens, etc. without asking the owner. I
would not replace a stamp or journal without the owners permission.
maintaining his or her boxes. I think if a letterbox is known to be
missing the owner should either replace the box or modify the clues
so the box is no longer listed. This should be done in a reasonable
amount of time. As a minimum, when the owner knows a box is missing,
he/she should put a note in his/her clues stating that a box is known
to be missing.
I know that many people have boxes outside the area where they live.
They could ask someone who lives in the area to help them maintain
those boxes when they know there is a problem. I have found the
letterboxing group to be pretty good at helping each other out. I am
sure people would find lots of volunteers to help fix/replace a box.
I always notify the box owner when I find a box that is missing or
needing repair that I cannot make for them. I automatically replace
containers, plastic bags, pens, etc. without asking the owner. I
would not replace a stamp or journal without the owners permission.
RE: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: Todd and Anne Marie Charland (irishtinker@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2002-07-12 08:34:37 UTC-04:00
I tend to agree w/ Chuck and Molly. The website as it is, is so user
friendly.
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Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: Debbie Teeter (dlt22@cornell.edu) |
Date: 2002-07-12 10:45:24 UTC-04:00
I agree we should be responsible for our boxes and find someone to take
care of it if we plant it in an area we're just visiting or we stop letter
boxing (as so well stated below). This may be difficult in some (many?)
cases. I think I've heard the term "orphan box" before - I don't know if
that's an actual type of box folks place, or one that seems
abandoned. Perhaps if we plant in areas we are just visiting we could
label the boxes as "orphans" and maybe a local boxer will find it, adopt it
and look after it (maybe this already happens). If we find a box in our
area that appears to be abandoned (log book full, box broken, no contact
for owner, etc.) is it permissible to adopt it? Also, how to do you find
an owner? None of the clues we've followed so far have an email or phone
number, although some of the boxes have had that information - but if you
don't find the box and suspect it's missing, are there other ways to find
an owner besides trying a post on this list? Lastly, one way to find out
information about a box you're considering looking for is to search the
archives for it - you should pull up any emails that contain that box's name.
Debbie T (the bee)
At 11:50 AM 07/12/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>I think that the owner of letterboxes should take responsibility for
>maintaining his or her boxes. I think if a letterbox is known to be
>missing the owner should either replace the box or modify the clues
>so the box is no longer listed. This should be done in a reasonable
>amount of time. As a minimum, when the owner knows a box is missing,
>he/she should put a note in his/her clues stating that a box is known
>to be missing.
>
>I know that many people have boxes outside the area where they live.
>They could ask someone who lives in the area to help them maintain
>those boxes when they know there is a problem. I have found the
>letterboxing group to be pretty good at helping each other out. I am
>sure people would find lots of volunteers to help fix/replace a box.
>
>I always notify the box owner when I find a box that is missing or
>needing repair that I cannot make for them. I automatically replace
>containers, plastic bags, pens, etc. without asking the owner. I
>would not replace a stamp or journal without the owners permission.
>
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care of it if we plant it in an area we're just visiting or we stop letter
boxing (as so well stated below). This may be difficult in some (many?)
cases. I think I've heard the term "orphan box" before - I don't know if
that's an actual type of box folks place, or one that seems
abandoned. Perhaps if we plant in areas we are just visiting we could
label the boxes as "orphans" and maybe a local boxer will find it, adopt it
and look after it (maybe this already happens). If we find a box in our
area that appears to be abandoned (log book full, box broken, no contact
for owner, etc.) is it permissible to adopt it? Also, how to do you find
an owner? None of the clues we've followed so far have an email or phone
number, although some of the boxes have had that information - but if you
don't find the box and suspect it's missing, are there other ways to find
an owner besides trying a post on this list? Lastly, one way to find out
information about a box you're considering looking for is to search the
archives for it - you should pull up any emails that contain that box's name.
Debbie T (the bee)
At 11:50 AM 07/12/2002 +0000, you wrote:
>I think that the owner of letterboxes should take responsibility for
>maintaining his or her boxes. I think if a letterbox is known to be
>missing the owner should either replace the box or modify the clues
>so the box is no longer listed. This should be done in a reasonable
>amount of time. As a minimum, when the owner knows a box is missing,
>he/she should put a note in his/her clues stating that a box is known
>to be missing.
>
>I know that many people have boxes outside the area where they live.
>They could ask someone who lives in the area to help them maintain
>those boxes when they know there is a problem. I have found the
>letterboxing group to be pretty good at helping each other out. I am
>sure people would find lots of volunteers to help fix/replace a box.
>
>I always notify the box owner when I find a box that is missing or
>needing repair that I cannot make for them. I automatically replace
>containers, plastic bags, pens, etc. without asking the owner. I
>would not replace a stamp or journal without the owners permission.
>
>
>
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Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: (edugaytor@aol.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 11:40:11 UTC-04:00
Hear! Hear! After all, is it not better to expediently address growth issues to ensure the growth of our hobby and its smooth running than to worry about stepping on toes by making reasonable requests/suggestions that will keep letterboxing running smoothly in America? I don't know any of our Webmasters, but it seems to me that if they are capable of running a site as involved as LbNA they are capable of addressing requests/suggestions themselves and should be afforded that opportunity without interference from us.
I've been letterboxing for a couple months now but have only been signed on to the "group" for a couple weeks. Already I've seen enough negativity come across my screen to remind me why I don't subscribe to newsgroups. I don't know whether "open forum" means to some people that the need for discretion is superceded or whether the temptation to dip into other people's business is just overwhelming when faced with an annonymous opportunity. But can we PLEASE keep things positive in the postings, mind our own issues in a positive manner, and try NOT to turn anyone off to this group. There's enough pettiness and negativity in this world without having to deal with it in letterboxing postings.
Hopefully,
Ed
I've been letterboxing for a couple months now but have only been signed on to the "group" for a couple weeks. Already I've seen enough negativity come across my screen to remind me why I don't subscribe to newsgroups. I don't know whether "open forum" means to some people that the need for discretion is superceded or whether the temptation to dip into other people's business is just overwhelming when faced with an annonymous opportunity. But can we PLEASE keep things positive in the postings, mind our own issues in a positive manner, and try NOT to turn anyone off to this group. There's enough pettiness and negativity in this world without having to deal with it in letterboxing postings.
Hopefully,
Ed
Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: Mick Nelson (mickey@littlekeylime.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 09:07:00 UTC-07:00
I agree with Mark. I feel this hobby is about to get more exposure and continue to grow at a significant rate. Organizations such as LbNA are going to find themselves (ourselves) with some growing pains. If we can accommodate the new growth by working together, it will only enhance our hobby. Obviously, the responsibility of this new growth shouldn't rest only on our Webmasters shoulders. We need to find a way to help them, but lets not stifle this new enthusiasm. Instead, lets work with it! I'm willing to do anything I can to help...
JMHO,
Mick
nomad_pnw <mark.bendickson@verizon.net> wrote:
>I don't believe it is wrong to ask for the addition of a column
>reporting the status of missing boxes. Improvements to what is
>already in place will keep this hobby fun and ensure a reasonable
>level of responsibility.
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Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: monotropa (bsennott@crocker.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 16:22:12 UTC
I do hope my previous post was not construed as "negative." As a
letterboxer who has been involved with this group for several years--in
fact, from its very beginnings--I have seen LBNA grow and the Web site
improve dramatically as a result of all kinds of input, both positive
and negative.
It's wonderful if newcomers offer ideas about how the site could be
improved, but it will be even better if at least some of those who want
improvements are also willing to do the work. Again, I don't mean to be
negative, but want to stress that no one is getting paid to maintain
this Web site and they are doing it on top of already busy lives.
Bonnie
letterboxer who has been involved with this group for several years--in
fact, from its very beginnings--I have seen LBNA grow and the Web site
improve dramatically as a result of all kinds of input, both positive
and negative.
It's wonderful if newcomers offer ideas about how the site could be
improved, but it will be even better if at least some of those who want
improvements are also willing to do the work. Again, I don't mean to be
negative, but want to stress that no one is getting paid to maintain
this Web site and they are doing it on top of already busy lives.
Bonnie
Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: Wes Garrison (garrison@phys.ksu.edu) |
Date: 2002-07-12 11:30:17 UTC-05:00
I'd be happy to lend a hand with website stuff. Having just started out
on this hobby (obsession?) I kinda wondered why the LbNa site didn't allow
people to modify letterboxes on their own. Granted, I don't know all the
details of the web hosting, so maybe it's not possible, but it sure seems
like the ability to let normal letterboxers update their clues and the
status of their boxes would really help the webmasters.
If this has already been discussed and I missed it, I apologize for being
obtuse.
Wes
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Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: moonstone_baby (moonstone_baby@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 16:36:06 UTC
I would be willing to help with the website too. Although I don't
have any website experience (or website software) I am an engineer
(please no throwing of rotten vegtables) and am comfortable working
on the computer and figuring out how to get things done. I am
reliable and honor my commitments.
If the webmasters could you another willing (but untrained) person
let me know. I work full time but do have some free time to give.
Janet
have any website experience (or website software) I am an engineer
(please no throwing of rotten vegtables) and am comfortable working
on the computer and figuring out how to get things done. I am
reliable and honor my commitments.
If the webmasters could you another willing (but untrained) person
let me know. I work full time but do have some free time to give.
Janet
Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: (arlenf@earthlink.net) |
Date: 2002-07-12 09:36:59 UTC-07:00
It's do-able, but the current structure may not lend itself to end-user
editing. This sort of functionality would probably require a re-design from
the ground up. Check out http://www.geocaching.com/ for an example of a site
that allows end-users to maintain/edit their caches.
My guess is the Webmasters have already foreseen this need - way before the
rest of us - and they are secretly working on a new web site that will blow
all of us away! This is strictly conjecture on my part, of course.
HangGlider
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:30:17 -0500 (CDT) Wes Garrison
wrote:
I'd be happy to lend a hand with website stuff. Having just started out
on this hobby (obsession?) I kinda wondered why the LbNa site didn't allow
people to modify letterboxes on their own. Granted, I don't know all the
details of the web hosting, so maybe it's not possible, but it sure seems
like the ability to let normal letterboxers update their clues and the
status of their boxes would really help the webmasters.
If this has already been discussed and I missed it, I apologize for being
obtuse.
Wes
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editing. This sort of functionality would probably require a re-design from
the ground up. Check out http://www.geocaching.com/ for an example of a site
that allows end-users to maintain/edit their caches.
My guess is the Webmasters have already foreseen this need - way before the
rest of us - and they are secretly working on a new web site that will blow
all of us away! This is strictly conjecture on my part, of course.
HangGlider
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:30:17 -0500 (CDT) Wes Garrison
wrote:
I'd be happy to lend a hand with website stuff. Having just started out
on this hobby (obsession?) I kinda wondered why the LbNa site didn't allow
people to modify letterboxes on their own. Granted, I don't know all the
details of the web hosting, so maybe it's not possible, but it sure seems
like the ability to let normal letterboxers update their clues and the
status of their boxes would really help the webmasters.
If this has already been discussed and I missed it, I apologize for being
obtuse.
Wes
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Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: Candlelight (candlelight2@weatherwitch.net) |
Date: 2002-07-12 09:51:15 UTC-07:00
Some people do have their own web sites and just list the link for
the webmasters to use. That's what I do. Having my own site makes it
easy to update things, and then the next person to print out the
clues will have the most up-to-date thing without having to search
the archives for changes.
Geocaching.com no doubt works off a database, and in order to do that
with LbNA, it would require not only a complete redesign, but an
enormous amount of work to just put the current clues in.
It was a lot of work just for me to put in my seven or eight things
into my database when I changed the way my own web site works. I
can't imagine dealing with the millions listed on LbNA now. But now
it's much easier to edit my stuff, and if I want to take a clue
offline, I just have a box I check or uncheck. And of course a
database is very easily searched with a key word or two.
-C
the webmasters to use. That's what I do. Having my own site makes it
easy to update things, and then the next person to print out the
clues will have the most up-to-date thing without having to search
the archives for changes.
Geocaching.com no doubt works off a database, and in order to do that
with LbNA, it would require not only a complete redesign, but an
enormous amount of work to just put the current clues in.
It was a lot of work just for me to put in my seven or eight things
into my database when I changed the way my own web site works. I
can't imagine dealing with the millions listed on LbNA now. But now
it's much easier to edit my stuff, and if I want to take a clue
offline, I just have a box I check or uncheck. And of course a
database is very easily searched with a key word or two.
-C
Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: Chris Hubbard (blndbuck@sover.net) |
Date: 2002-07-12 12:55:34 UTC-04:00
Hi, I'm a newcomer to
letterboxing, so I'll give you some of my insights on the sport and the site so
far. First, on clues and placing boxes. Last fall I went out once,
at the suggestion of a friend in England. My family and I searched for the
Crown Point and Ticonderoga boxes. After finding neither, though not for
lack of trying, I sent an e-mail and found out very quickly that the CP one had
been moved from it's orginal position, and that the Ti box was in an area that
is suppose to be off limits to the public. Knowing Fort Ti due to our
involvement with reenacting and living in the area, we did not want to be seen
as treasure seeking - something that the Fort does not hestitate to prosecute
for.....
I
recently (about 2 1/2 weeks ago) went out for a second time, to look for the
Bristol Rock, Morgan Horse Farm, and Champ box. I had no luck with the
first two, and was getting really discouraged about this whole thing. But,
I did find the Champ box :-) , which was very exciting. I
posted a message to see if the other two were in existance still, since I feel I
was in the right spot, esp. with the Morgan box. But, as of yet,I have not
had a reply.
I have
found the website easy to use, I've gotten a lot of great tips from it, and
have been using it to help plan a vacation to Cape Cod this
summer. The webmasters have but together a great site, very
commendable! I find I can move around easily, and find what I am looking
for. I think an area that lists missing or removed boxes would be a good
idea, or something that updates boxes that are already in existance.
I have also gotten alot of good advice
from the group. When I found the Champ stamp, I realize I should have
something to clean my stamp off with, now I'll be sure to do have something, and
I can see it is a concern to most out there. Bonnie's tale of the nake
man was a wake-up call.
I live in an area that tends to be pretty safe and crime-free, and have been
going out by myself. And while I try to stay alert to my surroundings, it
was a good reminder to be on guard.
I have
been enjoying this hobby, and have told a number of friends about it. So
far, no one I know of has heard of this. Is there anyone in the eastern
NY/western VT area doing this? (I see a box was placed in Bennington - my
next one to look for!) The get-togethers in differant
parts of the county sound like fun - are there any going on in my neck of
the woods?
-Chris
----- Original Message -----From: monotropaSent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:22 PMSubject: Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancementsI do hope my previous post was not construed as "negative." As a
letterboxer who has been involved with this group for several years--in
fact, from its very beginnings--I have seen LBNA grow and the Web site
improve dramatically as a result of all kinds of input, both positive
and negative.
It's wonderful if newcomers offer ideas about how the site could be
improved, but it will be even better if at least some of those who want
improvements are also willing to do the work. Again, I don't mean to be
negative, but want to stress that no one is getting paid to maintain
this Web site and they are doing it on top of already busy lives.
Bonnie
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Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: Wes Garrison (garrison@phys.ksu.edu) |
Date: 2002-07-12 12:03:17 UTC-05:00
So, would it be more work to put the clues in and redesign the site, or
to stay the same way and make the webmasters update everything? It
seems like there are enough people that read this list to get the clues
input fairly quickly, if everyone was willing to help out. Having set up
numerous database driven websites, I don't believe the design aspect would
be all that tough. That's my personal opinion, of course.
On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Candlelight wrote:
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> Some people do have their own web sites and just list the link for
> the webmasters to use. That's what I do. Having my own site makes it
> easy to update things, and then the next person to print out the
> clues will have the most up-to-date thing without having to search
> the archives for changes.
>
> Geocaching.com no doubt works off a database, and in order to do that
> with LbNA, it would require not only a complete redesign, but an
> enormous amount of work to just put the current clues in.
>
> It was a lot of work just for me to put in my seven or eight things
> into my database when I changed the way my own web site works. I
> can't imagine dealing with the millions listed on LbNA now. But now
> it's much easier to edit my stuff, and if I want to take a clue
> offline, I just have a box I check or uncheck. And of course a
> database is very easily searched with a key word or two.
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Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: monotropa (bsennott@crocker.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 18:26:37 UTC
I, too, put my own clues up on my own Web pages, so all the Webmasters
have to do is link to them. This way, it's very easy for me to update
the info as needed.
Bonnie
have to do is link to them. This way, it's very easy for me to update
the info as needed.
Bonnie
Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: ratpatrolhq (ratpatrolhq@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 18:32:47 UTC
As much as I have been frustrated by bad clues and missing boxes (1/3 of my=
letterbox hunts have
been duds), I'm not sure I'd like having an online status log next to the c=
lues. I'd rather be surprised
when I open the logbook to see who was there before me, instead of having d=
uplicate logs in the box
and on the website (like geocaching.com). Its more fun to be out searching =
the woods than searching
the internet, anyway. I really like the vague aspect of letterbox clues, li=
ke any good treasure map.
There is no guarantee of success in your search. If the webmasters decide t=
o add a "status" category
to the website, please keep it simple and unobtrusive so that it doesn't gi=
ve much away about who
may have visited or when.
Just my 2 for the discussion,
Matt the Rat
Chicago
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., Wes Garrison wrote:
>
> So, would it be more work to put the clues in and redesign the site, or
> to stay the same way and make the webmasters update everything? It
> seems like there are enough people that read this list to get the clues
> input fairly quickly, if everyone was willing to help out. Having set up=
> numerous database driven websites, I don't believe the design aspect woul=
d
> be all that tough. That's my personal opinion, of course.
>
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Candlelight wrote:
>
letterbox hunts have
been duds), I'm not sure I'd like having an online status log next to the c=
lues. I'd rather be surprised
when I open the logbook to see who was there before me, instead of having d=
uplicate logs in the box
and on the website (like geocaching.com). Its more fun to be out searching =
the woods than searching
the internet, anyway. I really like the vague aspect of letterbox clues, li=
ke any good treasure map.
There is no guarantee of success in your search. If the webmasters decide t=
o add a "status" category
to the website, please keep it simple and unobtrusive so that it doesn't gi=
ve much away about who
may have visited or when.
Just my 2 for the discussion,
Matt the Rat
Chicago
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., Wes Garrison
>
> So, would it be more work to put the clues in and redesign the site, or
> to stay the same way and make the webmasters update everything? It
> seems like there are enough people that read this list to get the clues
> input fairly quickly, if everyone was willing to help out. Having set up=
> numerous database driven websites, I don't believe the design aspect woul=
d
> be all that tough. That's my personal opinion, of course.
>
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Candlelight wrote:
>
Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: Candlelight (candlelight2@weatherwitch.net) |
Date: 2002-07-12 11:43:07 UTC-07:00
>So, would it be more work to put the clues in and redesign the site, or
>to stay the same way and make the webmasters update everything? It
>seems like there are enough people that read this list to get the clues
>input fairly quickly, if everyone was willing to help out. Having set up
>numerous database driven websites, I don't believe the design aspect would
>be all that tough. That's my personal opinion, of course.
Personally, I think it would be much easier on everyone if it was
database driven.
I'd be happy to volunteer with help coding, etc. if they decide to go
the database route.
-C
>to stay the same way and make the webmasters update everything? It
>seems like there are enough people that read this list to get the clues
>input fairly quickly, if everyone was willing to help out. Having set up
>numerous database driven websites, I don't believe the design aspect would
>be all that tough. That's my personal opinion, of course.
Personally, I think it would be much easier on everyone if it was
database driven.
I'd be happy to volunteer with help coding, etc. if they decide to go
the database route.
-C
Re: website changes, enhancements
From: fox412 (fox412@aol.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 18:58:09 UTC
I think that everyone has put out valuable information regarding
this matter.
Having recently become addicted to this stuff and with all the
publicity around the country, it certainly points to the fact that
letterboxing is going to continue to grow by leaps and bounds. It
was very wise to point out that this is a very opportune time to
rethink and possibly revise things for EVERYONE'S benefit..including
the Webmasters. Nothing that has been said has come across as very
negative to me and I know that everyone here has a great appreciation
for the webmasters and the ability to find so much information so
easily.
That being said I hope that in this discussion, which is becoming
very popular,that everyone can remember that each person that speaks
is just putting out their ideas and not trying to harm anyone else.
Questioning things is not only a great way for everyone to learn, but
also for great new ideas to come about.
this matter.
Having recently become addicted to this stuff and with all the
publicity around the country, it certainly points to the fact that
letterboxing is going to continue to grow by leaps and bounds. It
was very wise to point out that this is a very opportune time to
rethink and possibly revise things for EVERYONE'S benefit..including
the Webmasters. Nothing that has been said has come across as very
negative to me and I know that everyone here has a great appreciation
for the webmasters and the ability to find so much information so
easily.
That being said I hope that in this discussion, which is becoming
very popular,that everyone can remember that each person that speaks
is just putting out their ideas and not trying to harm anyone else.
Questioning things is not only a great way for everyone to learn, but
also for great new ideas to come about.
[LbNA] Re: website changes, enhancements
From: Candlelight (candlelight2@weatherwitch.net) |
Date: 2002-07-12 12:16:04 UTC-07:00
>6) If more people could make their own clue websites and just have
>the webmasters link to the clues, I'm sure that would make a
>tremendous difference. I know that not everyone has the time or
>access to do this, but some people might if they had some assistance.
>Perhaps one of the people that has kindly volunteered to help could
>write a post regarding creating clue webpages or make a webpage that
>points to places giving free website space and basic instructions on
>how to create one.
I know that Catbird and Mischief and Eliza B (all of Washington State, like me) already have their clues on their own web sites. I love that, because then I can write to them and ask them how long a hike was, or anything like that.
If anyone in Washington State would like to put their clues on my web site, let me know and I'll work out some forms that are password protected so that you can update/edit your own clues. As long as there are not overwhelming amounts of stuff (thus me limiting my offer to WA state only), this would probably work pretty well.
My web site is certainly not all that the LbNA site is, but for just having clues up, and fast, or doing quick updates or whatever, maybe that would help someone? I could probably give each person their own section. Let me know.
-Candlelight
candlelight2@weatherwitch.net
http://weatherwitch.net/candlelight2
Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: "Tig" (mainetig@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 12:20:28 UTC-07:00
So Ed, are you saying that we should not debate ideas,
thoughts, and suggestions on this list?
This is an open forum, and people are free to discuss
and debate their ideas. The constitution even assures
us the right to freedom of speech. Equally, you have
just as much right to hit the delete button on
anything you don't like.
I like the idea of the web site changes - but also
understand the logistical issue of it, too. In fact,
the original poster of the idea indicated that they
understand the increase in work it would create.
The way I see it, without suggestions and ideas, and
discussions, this world would be a pretty static
place. A suggestion was made. It is now being talked
about - pros and cons. In the end, something may
happen with it, something may not. It may get tabled
for a later time - or maybe, just maybe, someone will
come up with a great idea that meets the need and
doesn't create tons of extra work.
As for the negativity, Ed, I don't see it. This is a
group of great people. Yes, there are times of
disagreement and differing ideas. So is life. But
rarely have I seen in this group those differences
result in negativity or plain nastiness towards one
another.
We are all here for a common reason and common goal.
We all love the hobby of letterboxing, love the
outdoors, love exploring the communities around us. I
am sorry if you are interpreting anything here as
negative.
I am glad that you have found our group and are
sharing in the fun of this hobby. My best suggestion
to you is to sit back, enjoy the comradery and joy of
the group, and get a chance to know the people here
before you pass judgment to quickly.
Happy boxing!
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thoughts, and suggestions on this list?
This is an open forum, and people are free to discuss
and debate their ideas. The constitution even assures
us the right to freedom of speech. Equally, you have
just as much right to hit the delete button on
anything you don't like.
I like the idea of the web site changes - but also
understand the logistical issue of it, too. In fact,
the original poster of the idea indicated that they
understand the increase in work it would create.
The way I see it, without suggestions and ideas, and
discussions, this world would be a pretty static
place. A suggestion was made. It is now being talked
about - pros and cons. In the end, something may
happen with it, something may not. It may get tabled
for a later time - or maybe, just maybe, someone will
come up with a great idea that meets the need and
doesn't create tons of extra work.
As for the negativity, Ed, I don't see it. This is a
group of great people. Yes, there are times of
disagreement and differing ideas. So is life. But
rarely have I seen in this group those differences
result in negativity or plain nastiness towards one
another.
We are all here for a common reason and common goal.
We all love the hobby of letterboxing, love the
outdoors, love exploring the communities around us. I
am sorry if you are interpreting anything here as
negative.
I am glad that you have found our group and are
sharing in the fun of this hobby. My best suggestion
to you is to sit back, enjoy the comradery and joy of
the group, and get a chance to know the people here
before you pass judgment to quickly.
Happy boxing!
Tig
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Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: "Tig" (mainetig@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 12:32:50 UTC-07:00
Add my name to the list of volunteers, too. I am just
learning about web stuff - but like Moonstone_baby, am
very comfortable with computers and all for diving in
and learning new things. Every once in awhile I will
even pick up a book/manual to learn ;o)
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learning about web stuff - but like Moonstone_baby, am
very comfortable with computers and all for diving in
and learning new things. Every once in awhile I will
even pick up a book/manual to learn ;o)
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Re: [LbNA] Re: website changes, enhancements
From: "Tig" (mainetig@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 12:45:57 UTC-07:00
Krink-
Very well said!! Welcome to our little hobby - I am
glad you are enjoying it.
I like many of your ideas, and do agree that this type
of discussion is beneficial. You never know when a
great gem of an idea might be hit upon.
I, too, have been toying with the idea of trying to
create a website for my own clues. Partly just to
learn for myself, and partly to make it easier for the
webmasters. I guess my only "reservation" with that
type of system is the posibility for vast differences
in the way things are posted.
One thing I really like about the current page is the
"uniformity" of how clues are posted. It makes it
easier to quickly find the info one is looking for in
a clue.
Who knows, maybe there is a way to achieve it all in
one fowl swoop ;o)
Happy boxing!
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Very well said!! Welcome to our little hobby - I am
glad you are enjoying it.
I like many of your ideas, and do agree that this type
of discussion is beneficial. You never know when a
great gem of an idea might be hit upon.
I, too, have been toying with the idea of trying to
create a website for my own clues. Partly just to
learn for myself, and partly to make it easier for the
webmasters. I guess my only "reservation" with that
type of system is the posibility for vast differences
in the way things are posted.
One thing I really like about the current page is the
"uniformity" of how clues are posted. It makes it
easier to quickly find the info one is looking for in
a clue.
Who knows, maybe there is a way to achieve it all in
one fowl swoop ;o)
Happy boxing!
Tig
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Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: Susan/Erik Davis (davisarc@DavisVermont.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 16:38:29 UTC-04:00
Hello all,
Tom Cooch has provided you a sketch of our "elaborate" operations
team. I believe it is a MIRACLE that we got this far. I noticed
several offers of help and this is great to read. Does anyone know
HOW to go about setting up a database? The idea has been kicked
around previously but none of the group had the expertise - if such a
person now exists - please step forward in a post to the Webmasters.
Also, for anyone who is game, why not try to make your own page
and get it linked - the worst that can happen is a page not found.
Every person who can provide their own page, and perhaps pick up the
clues of a few more compatriots, helps the burden tremendously.
Cheers,
Susan
One of several Webmasters
Tom Cooch has provided you a sketch of our "elaborate" operations
team. I believe it is a MIRACLE that we got this far. I noticed
several offers of help and this is great to read. Does anyone know
HOW to go about setting up a database? The idea has been kicked
around previously but none of the group had the expertise - if such a
person now exists - please step forward in a post to the Webmasters.
Also, for anyone who is game, why not try to make your own page
and get it linked - the worst that can happen is a page not found.
Every person who can provide their own page, and perhaps pick up the
clues of a few more compatriots, helps the burden tremendously.
Cheers,
Susan
One of several Webmasters
Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: A.D. (alwayschaos@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 14:46:42 UTC-07:00
Exactly my thoughts, Bonnie. I couldn't agree more! I
don't see it as negativity to point out that the
webmasters are VOLUNTEERS who are doing this as an act
of love or any problems with us issuing our
appreciation to them.
If anyone has a problem with that appreciation and
looking out for our webmaster friends and sees it as
negativity perhaps this really isn't the group for
them, afterall. Lists have positives and
negatives--they also have situations that posters know
nothing about and probably shouldn't comment on unless
they do. That would be negativity in it's own right,
wouldn't it?
Make all the suggestions you'd like but please
VOLUNTEER your time to make it happen, too.
Otherwise, please don't blast those who are a little
more realistic about the whole idea.
Thanks to all the webmasters- I appreciate things just
as they are. Maybe we are seeing that growth isn't
always a good thing, time will tell...
But then again, just saying that I am negative, aren't
I? ;o)
"Argue not with dragons for thou are crunchy and go
well with Brie."
--- monotropa wrote:
> It's wonderful if newcomers offer ideas about how
> the site could be > improved, but it will be even
better if at least> some of those who want
> improvements are also willing to do the work. Again,
> I don't mean to be > negative, but want to stress
that no one is getting> paid to maintain
> this Web site and they are doing it on top of
> already busy lives.
>
> Bonnie
>
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don't see it as negativity to point out that the
webmasters are VOLUNTEERS who are doing this as an act
of love or any problems with us issuing our
appreciation to them.
If anyone has a problem with that appreciation and
looking out for our webmaster friends and sees it as
negativity perhaps this really isn't the group for
them, afterall. Lists have positives and
negatives--they also have situations that posters know
nothing about and probably shouldn't comment on unless
they do. That would be negativity in it's own right,
wouldn't it?
Make all the suggestions you'd like but please
VOLUNTEER your time to make it happen, too.
Otherwise, please don't blast those who are a little
more realistic about the whole idea.
Thanks to all the webmasters- I appreciate things just
as they are. Maybe we are seeing that growth isn't
always a good thing, time will tell...
But then again, just saying that I am negative, aren't
I? ;o)
"Argue not with dragons for thou are crunchy and go
well with Brie."
--- monotropa
> It's wonderful if newcomers offer ideas about how
> the site could be > improved, but it will be even
better if at least> some of those who want
> improvements are also willing to do the work. Again,
> I don't mean to be > negative, but want to stress
that no one is getting> paid to maintain
> this Web site and they are doing it on top of
> already busy lives.
>
> Bonnie
>
>
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Re: [LbNA] website changes, enhancements
From: (edugaytor@aol.com) |
Date: 2002-07-12 18:06:41 UTC-04:00
I rest my case.
Ed
Ed